We’ve come up with another interesting topic that is sure to stir the pot opinion-wise with our Forgotten Hits Readers.
One of the biggest events of 1968, of course, was the release of The Beatles' White Album, their first LP release on their own label, Apple Records.
The two-disc set (actually called "The Beatles" but forever known as "The White Album" because of its stark, plain, simplicity … a FAR cry from the elaborate compilation of imagery that graced their "Sgt. Pepper" album the year before) celebrates its 50th Anniversary on November 22nd of this year.
One of the biggest debates over the past fifty years has been whether or not the two-LP set was too much material, even for The Formerly Fab Four. It was a lot to digest and, as such, many feel it allowed uncharacteristically weaker material to be released. ("Revolution 9," anyone???)
Ever since the 50th Anniversary "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely
Hearts Club Band" commemorative box set was announced last year, there has
been quite a bit of buzz about the possibility of a similar special
commemorative release to celebrate the milestone anniversary of "The
Beatles / White Album" … which would feature even MORE material from this
era. (As if the thirty tracks it already
contains are not enough!) Apple Records announced last week that such a
set will, indeed, be released on November 9th ... the deluxe edition boasting
an incredible 107 tracks!
http://forgottenhits60s.blogspot.com/2018/09/when-we-say-deluxe-we-mean-deluxe.html
The Beatles came back from India especially inspired and between them had written dozens and dozens of new songs. Suddenly, there was a wealth of material to choose from. Why even George Harrison was able to work four of his compositions into the mix … one on each side of the LP … and, as a Beatles “guest star” first, he invited his buddy Eric Clapton to play lead guitar on one of his greatest tracks ever, "While My Guitar Gently Weeps." (George has since said he had an ulterior motive ... with The Beatles drifting further and further apart, he thought a studio guest might help to keep them on their best behavior. He would try the tactic again the following year when Billy Preston was invited to sit in on some of their sessions.)
When it came time to begin recording all of these new tracks, they could often be found working in several different studios, each laying down their own tracks, positioning themselves for space on what they now determined would have to be a double album. (It was almost as if they were each working on their own solo projects and then chose the best of the litter to fill out the album. Without question, it was their least “group effort” to date.)
There is some GREAT material contained within these two discs ... and yet the debate has been going on for years …
Should The White Album have been reduced to a single disk? And, if so, how would you do it? (Hey, I've run this same scenario over and over again in my head numerous times over the years … and even allowing for a total of 16 tracks instead of the usual British 14, I still can't do it … there is just no way I can designate enough of the remaining 14 tracks as too inferior to include … although I can eliminate quite a few. Again, I ask, "Revolution 9," anyone??? Ringo's "Don't Pass Me By"? The whole “Wild Honey Pie” / “Bungalow Bill” thing? Heck, think about it for a second … if "Helter Skelter" hadn't made the cut, the entire course of history may have been changed!)
I recently heard a short clip of Paul McCartney talking about The White Album on The Beatles Channel on Sirius / XM, stating that the LP had "a little something for everyone." He goes on to say "Yeah, I’ve heard people say we should have cut it back to fewer songs and gone with a single LP … but c'mon, man … it's the fucking Beatles White Album!" Amen.
So this is our challenge to you …
Can you get "The Beatles" / White Album down to just sixteen tracks?
You can sequence them any way you want (just designate an A and B side because that's how albums were made back then … and a lot of thought went into the song-sequencing between The Beatles and Producer George Martin.
You can get clever and devise ways to get more bang for your buck (For example: In this imaginary situation, I might have released "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da" as a single, with a different White Album track on the B-Side … to allow myself the chance to include a couple more of my favorites on the 16-track LP. The same could be true of "Back In The U.S.S.R.' and maybe even "Birthday." Three singles could potentially eliminate six tracks from the 30, place them in a "safe spot" to still ensure their release ... and now leave you with only the task of narrowing down the remaining 24 tracks to 16.
We asked our readers to give it some thought … it's not as easy as you might think ... let's see what they came up with.
We'll be running some of the ideas that we have already received to date over the course of this series ... and see what kind of responses THESE might inspire!
There are no right or wrong answers ...
When we're done, we'll tally up all of the tracks and come up with the PERFECT 16 track set.
Meanwhile, let’s have some fun with this … Revamping The White Album ... exclusively in Forgotten Hits! (kk)
Revamping The White Album (Part 2)
What say you???
It would have been fine as a three- sided album ...
The first two sides I wouldn't touch ...
If I had to, I'd take out Helter Skelter and Revolution Number 9 for twelve
minutes or so …
Actually, I think I did on a mix tape of mine!
Renfield
Well of course!!! Damn, why didn't I think of that?!?! A Three-Sided Album would have done the trick! (lol) Thanks, Gary! (kk)
I absolutely agree that The White Album has too much fluff.
Here’s how I would pare it down from 30 songs to 16:
Back In The USSR
Dear Prudence
Glass Onion
Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Happiness Is A Warm Gun
Martha My Dear
I’m So Tired
Blackbird
I Will
Julia
Birthday
Mother Nature’s Son
Sexy Sadie
Helter Skelter
Good Night
Ian N. Berger
Hi Kent …
Thanks for asking me this question!
The purist in me says ... NO, I can't get the White Album
down to 16 tracks. Impossible for me. But ... I would definitely leave off
"Revolution #9" and "Why Don't We Do It In The Road."
They would have been great additions to the unreleased material on the
Anthology albums! But let's face it ... back then, if we would have heard about 18
unreleased Beatles tracks from the White Album sessions, we would have all been
looking for Bootlegs of those recordings just to own them. So, by releasing all
of the material, The Beatles actually saved us that effort!
Mitch Schecter / The Rip Chords
I'm looking forward to hearing what they found in the vaults. George Harrison’s stripped-down, acoustic version of “While My Guitar Gently Weeps” was an absolute highlight of the third Anthology CD. Each of the main three writers did so many sessions on their own it’d be cool to see what other ideas were kicked around before the released version was zeroed in. Between the original demos they shared with each other ... and the working versions they developed once they hit the recording studio in earnest, this should be a fascinating insight into their whole process, circa 1968. (And I believe they felt the pressure was on, this being their first release on their own record label!)
I remember the AM Top 40 stations in town playing select tracks before the album came out ... "Rocky Raccoon" and "Back In The U.S.S.R." in particular. I already knew these songs by heart by the time I got my LP for Christmas! Thanks, Mitch! (kk)
Hi Kent:
I'm enjoying your blog as always. I'm looking forward to the 50th anniversary release of the Beatles' White Album, as you and many of your readers are.
As far as cutting the original album down to just sixteen tracks, I think it's not possible. I feel the following 23 tracks are all essential Beatles. Even the closing track. It's the perfect end to this album.
1. "Back In The U.S.S.R."
2. "Dear Prudence"
3. "Glass Onion"
4. "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da"
5. "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"
6. "Happiness Is A Warm Gun"
7. "Martha My Dear"
8. "I'm So Tired"
9. "Blackbird"
10. "Don't Pass Me By"
11. "I Will"
12. "Julia"
13. "Birthday"
14. "Yer Blues"
15. "Mother Nature's Son"
16. "Sexy Sadie"
17. "Helter Skelter"
18. "Long, Long, Long"
19. “Revolution 1”
20. "Honey Pie"
21. "Savoy Truffle"
22. "Cry Baby Cry"
23. "Good Night"
Not much filler, but the seven songs not on my list that were on the original album are truly not up to the high level the Fab Four were capable of.
Santi Paradoa
Miami, Florida
Yes, but you've GOT to get it down to just sixteen tracks!!!
(I'm granting you a do-over!) kk
Hi Kent,
As for me, I wouldn't change a thing about the Beatles' White Album. It has its quirky numbers, but its uniqueness is what makes it so cool. Sometimes I skip over Revolution #9, but other times it captivates me. I have a copy on the Apple label and one on Capitol on white vinyl and treasure them both. IMO, no changes.
Dube
Kent,
First time contributor here…
Some people believe the White Album would be better as a single LP instead of a double, and try to make it a single.
IMPOSSIBLE. It’s wrong.
Instead, we should be working on making a better Double LP.
Remove some of the “weaker tracks” (all debatable) and I’d add in the five songs recorded and released within the White Album time frame (unfortunately, ACROSS THE UNIVERSE doesn’t make it even though recorded in 1968, but John never pushed for it to be released until late 1969.)
And of course, we have to keep it in the vinyl-setting timings.
Added are:
· Hey Bulldog (inserted into the animal songs of Side 2 replacing Don’t Pass Me By)
· Hey Jude (replacing Revolution 9)
· Revolution (replacing Revolution 1)
· The Inner Light (fading in-from the “Brama can you take me back” part of Cry Baby Cry) … this gives George five songs!
· Lady Madonna (replacing Honey Pie)
Discuss!
Side one |
||||
No. |
Title |
Lead vocals |
Length |
|
1. |
"Back in the U.S.S.R." |
McCartney |
2:43 |
|
2. |
"Dear Prudence" |
Lennon |
3:56 |
|
3. |
"Glass Onion" |
Lennon |
2:18 |
|
4. |
"Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da" |
McCartney |
3:08 |
|
5. |
"Wild Honey Pie" |
McCartney |
0:52 |
|
6. |
"The Continuing Story Of Bungalow Bill" |
Lennon |
3:14 |
|
7. |
"While My Guitar Gently Weeps" (George Harrison) |
Harrison |
4:45 |
|
8. |
"Happiness Is A Warm Gun" | Lennon |
2:43 |
|
Total length: |
23:39 |
|||
Side two |
||||
No. |
Title |
Lead vocals |
Length |
|
9. |
"Martha My Dear" |
McCartney |
2:28 |
|
10. |
"I'm So Tired" |
Lennon |
2:03 |
|
11. |
"Blackbird" |
McCartney |
2:18 |
|
12. |
"Piggies" (George Harrison) |
Harrison |
2:04 |
|
13. |
"Rocky Raccoon" |
McCartney |
3:33 |
|
14. |
"Hey Bulldog" |
Lennon |
3:14 |
|
15. |
"Why Don't We Do It In The Road?" |
McCartney |
1:41 |
|
16. |
"I Will" |
McCartney |
1:46 |
|
17. |
"Julia" |
Lennon |
2:54 |
|
Total length: |
22:01 |
|||
Side three |
||||
No. |
Title |
Lead vocals |
Length |
|
1. |
"Birthday" | McCartney with Lennon | 3:42 |
|
2. |
"Yer Blues" |
Lennon |
4:01 |
|
3. |
"Mother Nature's Son" |
McCartney |
2:48 |
|
4. |
"Everybody's Got Something To Hide Except Me And My Monkey" |
Lennon |
2:24 |
|
5. |
"Sexy Sadie" |
Lennon |
3:15 |
|
6. |
"Helter Skelter" |
McCartney |
4:29 |
|
7. |
"Long, Long, Long (George Harrison) |
Harrison |
3:04 |
|
Total length: |
22:43 |
|||
Side four |
||||
No. |
Title |
Lead vocals |
Length |
|
8. |
“Hey Jude” |
McCartney |
7:11 |
|
9. |
“Revolution” |
Lennon |
3:21 |
|
10. |
"Savoy Truffle" (George Harrison) |
Harrison |
2:54 |
|
11. |
"Cry Baby Cry" |
Lennon, with McCartney |
3:02 |
|
12.
13. |
“The Inner Light” (George Harrison) “Lady Madonna” |
Harrison
McCartney |
2:36
2:16 |
|
14. |
"Good Night" |
Starr |
3:13 |
|
Total length: |
24:22 |
|||
Sincerely,
Scott Siegel
It's funny because the first time I ever played The White Album all the way thru my IMMEDIATE reaction to "Revolution 9" was "Why didn't they just replace this indulgent piece of crap with 'Hey Jude' if they had a 7-9 minute slot to fill?" Plus it probably would have helped the album sell even more copies than it already did!
Now I know The Beatles didn't really like to include singles on their LPs ... they looked at them as two separate entities for two completely different markets ... but "Revolution 9" was just SO bad I couldn't believe they'd include it (or that the other three went along with it in their so called "all in favor or it doesn't pass" method of operation.)
And now, looking at the long list of other material worked on and then left off the two-record set, it's unthinkable to me that they couldn't have come up with something better. (I know the John dynamic was the strongest ... and maybe they just didn't want to make waves during the whole "newness" of John and Yoko ... but still, put the music ... which this is not ... and your legacy ahead of any vanity project. That's what SOLO albums are for!!!)
As for the single version of "Revolution" vs. the LP slowed-down take, I was completely blown away by "Revolution 1" the first time I heard it. It just showed the versatility of the band and how a song as powerful as that could work on two completely different levels. (Years later I would feel the same way after hearing George's stripped down, acoustic version of "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" on the Anthology 3 album.)
My only objection to "Lady Madonna" and "The Inner Light" was that by November of 1968, these songs were already too old and well known for consideration ... and they pre-dated The Beatles' Apple Records label. (Besides, this is the kind of stuff that Capitol Records liked to do, thus the "The Beatles Again" / "Hey Jude" album slipped in between releases as a way of featuring some tracks that never made their way to an LP here in The States ... much the way "Past Masters" would do when The Beatles' catalog was finally released on CD many years later.
I have to admit, however, that I really DO like your way of thinking ... make the existing album an even better one!
As a first time contributor, welcome to the fold! Hope to hear more from you in the future. Thanks, Scott! (kk)
Ready to weigh in with your picks?
Let's hear from some more of you before we tally up all the votes and determine the ultimate single White Album LP (kk)
Revamping The White Album (Part 3)
More suggestions from our readers ...
Hey Kent -
Here goes my list of 16 choices: (in original running order)
Back In The USSR
Dear Prudence
Glass Onion
Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da
The Continuing Story Of Bungalow Bill
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Happiness Is A Warm Gun
Blackbird
Rocky Raccoon
I Will
Birthday
Yer Blues
Mother Nature’s Son
Helter Skelter
Savoy Truffle
Good Night
I know people love to trash “Rocky Raccoon” … but what’s wrong with having some fun on a track? First time I heard the White Album back in ‘68, my cousin played it for us. Holy shit!! We couldn’t wrap our heads around it then. And today, I still can’t!
- Larry Cave
50yearsagoonthehot100.blogspot.com
“Rocky Raccoon” was one of the first tracks I heard from The White Album back in ’68 … and I loved it. The Beatles were always such perfectionists in the studio that I just LOVED when they strayed from the formula to try something new and fun. (As such, “Rocky Raccoon” and “You Know My Name” are two of my favorite Beatles tracks … simply because they don’t sound anything at all like what you would expect The Beatles to record and release.
I think Paul dominates the 2-Record Set anyway … tracks like “Back In The U.S.S.R.,” “Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da,” “I Will,” “Mother Nature’s Son,” “Blackbird,” “Birthday,” “Why Don’t We Do It In The Road” and even “Martha My Dear” have always been among my favorites … and I’ll even allow for “Honey Pie,” too, since (as I mentioned elsewhere) it kind of completes the trilogy of Macca’s tribute to the music of the 1920’s. (“Helter Skelter”??? Not so much. I mean, I get it … and the reason behind it … but it’s just never been one of my favorites.) kk
Hi Kent:
Here are my choices for the Top White Album tracks. (The Top 2 are definitely ahead of the rest now):
Back in the USSR
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
The rest:
Dear Prudence
Glass Onion
Happiness Is A Warm Gun
Cry Baby Cry
Blackbird
Martha My Dear
I Will
Birthday
Helter Skelter
Revolution #1
Ob La Di Ob La Da
Julia
Sexy Sadie
Me & My Monkey
Ken Freck
Hi Kent
My view is as follows …
Too many "fillers" and too much Yoko influenced
Here would be my preference for a single album of 16 tracks:
Tracks:
Back in the USSR
Dear Prudence
Glass Onion
Ob-la-di
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Martha My Dear
Blackbird
Birthday
Mother Nature's Son
Helter Skelter
Long Long Long
Revolution 1
Sexy Sadie
I Will
Julia
Wild Honey Pie
Just my opinion of course
Regards -
Geoff Dorsett
Radio Presenter
Since they both cross-reference other Beatles songs, I’d have to include “Savoy
Truffle” along with “Glass Onion,” because without “Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da,” they
just don’t make sense!
I have always been a fan of George Harrison’s songwriting … he turned a major
corner with his contributions to “Rubber Soul” and “Revolver” and I think ALL
of his material for The White Album is exceptional. While I’m totally fine with never hearing
“Blue Jay Way” again for the rest of my life, I’ve learned to at least tolerate
most of his Indian stuff … and I really like “The Inner Light.”
If you think about it, The Beatles easily could have put out another single
between “Hey Jude” and “Get Back,” a stretch of about eight months. (Maybe even two!!!)
Certainly a couple of White Album tracks would have made excellent hit
singles: “Back In The USSR,” “Birthday,”
“Ob-La-Di” or maybe even “While My Guitar Gently Weeps” … any one or two of
these would have been a great way to fill the gap (and open up a few more spots
on our new 16-track re-imagining of The White Album. Tack on a couple of
so-so B-Sides and I think you can get to 16 tracks pretty easily.) kk
Kent:
Your question regarding the White Album has always been an
interesting topic for debate.
As for my own feelings about the White Album, I'd say the only songs I wouldn't
miss if I never heard them again are "Wild Honey Pie" and "Why
Don't We Do It In The Road?" What were they thinking by putting them on
the album? I don't even consider them real songs. "Revolution 9"
is not really a song either, but John sure did love those sound montages at the
time. I'd also get rid of that creepy coda at the end of "Cry Baby
Cry." I always skip past that part.
I can tolerate "Don't Pass Me By" (you can't have a Beatles album without a contribution from Ringo). I'm on the fence about "Helter Skelter," which I've never liked, but I admire Paul's original intent with it, i.e. to out-Who the Who in terms of recording the most raucous, down and dirty track they could.
The rest of the album is, of course, wonderful. I couldn't pare it down to 16 songs on a single disk, but eliminating just this handful would produce an unwieldy total also. It would have been interesting if they had chosen to include "Not Guilty" and "Child of Nature" (which, as most of us know, eventually became "Jealous Guy.") And, I've always been a bit puzzled by the Beatles' later comments about the album being a collection of songs with each individual member using the others merely as a backing group. To my ears, I hear a lot of collaboration in the songs. But what do I know -- I've only been listening to the White Album since it was released, when I was 7 years old.
Best,
Garry Berman
And for me, “Why Don’t We Do It In The Road” has always been one of my favorites, just because it’s SO out there and uncharacteristic of anything else they had recorded up to that time. (And I can’t think of a better edit ever, showing the two extremes of McCartney’s vocal talents, than running “Why Don’t We Do It In The Road’ right into “I Will,” another album highlight for me.)
I don’t know that either Ringo vocal would have made my cut … “Don’t Pass Me By” ranks right up there with his weakest material ever … and honestly, although it makes for the perfect album closer, I’d probably cut the over-produced John / Ringo collaboration, “Good Night.”
I think it must have been the White Album where I really started to turn from a John fan into more of a Paul fan. Cuts like “The Continuing Story Of Bungalow Bill,” “Everybody’s Got Something To Hide Except For Me And My Monkey” and “Revolution 9” would get skipped nearly every single time I played it (which was a big deal in 1968 because you had to physically get up and move the tone arm on the record!!!) Then again I really like John's tracks “Happiness Is A Warm Gun” for its versatility, and his slower-to-mid-tempo tunes like “I’m So Tired” and “Sexy Sadie,” ALL of which I’d find a place for on my pared-down LP. (kk)
I have not forgotten about your White Album challenge.
After much thought, I went with 16 tracks that I don't jump over these
days:
Side One
1. Back In The USSR
2. Dear Prudence
3. I Will
4. Birthday
5. Blackbird
6. Rocky Racoon
7. Savoy Truffle
8. While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Side Two
1. Ob-La Di, Ob-la-Da
2. Mother Nature's Son
3. Revolution 1
4. Sexy Sadie
5. Yer Blues
6. Glass Onion
7. Don't Pass Me By
8. Helter Skelter
Phil Nee – WRCO
I cannot do it!!
I like it as it is, which is what the Beatles themselves wanted … they chose the tracks in the order they wanted us to hear them … that’s good enough for me!
Peter Noone
You can’t reduce The White Album to just one disc … because if you do, it’s no longer The White Album.
Bruce Spizer
I agree that the white album should have been split into two separate albums …
then you could have the white and the whiter album.
Ringo Starr
Revamping The White Album (Part 4)
Hey Kent –
Side Two:
First of all, I am happy to report that EVERY single track on The White Album received at least one vote (although "Revolution 9," "Wild Honey Pie," "The Continuing Story Of Bungalow Bill" and "Everybody's Got Something To Hide Except Me And My Monkey" each received EXACTLY one.)
There are also a couple of tunes that made every single ballot ... so those are distinguished as the top vote-getters on their own. The rest fall in order from most votes to least, stopping at a total of sixteen tracks. (kk)
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